In this episode of True Crime News The Sidebar Podcast: Joshua Ritter investigates the case of Erik and Lyle Menendez by breaking down the brothers’ first and second trials, appellate issues, and potential roadblocks to the pair gaining freedom.
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Excellent summary
Hochman said in one of his many interviews that what he was looking at is WHETHER OR NOT THESE TWO YOUNG MEN FACED AN IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THEIR LIFE.
Understand that all their life they had a gereral fear of their parents. But in those last few days that fear escalated to fear if imminently being k+ll+d for a number of reasons.
But what was the ABSOLUTE TRIGGER for the crime on that sunday night was THIS. After being told they weren't allowed to leave the house that night, and after a confrontation over Jose r+p++g. Eric, the parents went into the den AND CLOSED THE DOORS. Doors that were NEVER CLOSED for some reason not said that Lyle said on the tape with Norma.. Why CLOSE THE DOORS that were
NEVER CLOSED if you weren't up to no good. The boys understandably thought the parents were getting their guns ready to unalive them IMMEDIATELY. I would have thought that too
This IMMEDIATE threat to their life required IMMEDIATE use of deadly force. Which satisfies the definition of imperfect self defence.
Now the SMALL BUT SIGNIFICANT detail of DOOR NEVER BEING CLOSED seems to have been missed by everyone . It wasnt brought up at trial that i know. It wasnt in Robert Rands book.. . I never heard of it until on channel Eric.
If the doors had not been closed by the parents the crime may have only happened the next day or two days time OR NOT AT ALL.
OR NOT AT ALL
I cannot understand how that SMALL BUT SIGNIFICANT detail of DEN DOORS NEVER BEING CLOSED has been missed by EVERYONE????????
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Free them NOW
14:50 no sir you’re saying it wrong. The judge actually used the term “the abuse excuse” stop making excuses for this judge who had no right to take that away from the brothers. Shame on you!
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The year they killed their parents I was a freshman in high school! I had just started my first week of school when this happened. It’s now been many many years! I just turned 50 in September and I remember this case like it was yesterday! “The abuses excuse“ was literally what came out of the judges mouth about what the brother suffered at the hands of their father and the mother, knowing about it and not doing a damn thing!
Free them they are heros!
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they planned out the murders!! they watched the movie " the billionare's club" and got ideals to kill their parents!! before that happened, both brothers went on robbery spree in the beverly hills neighborhood and their father jose was diappointed in them for doing that. he made them give back what they stoled and dad wrote out a check for everyone of the neighbors. the father told both of them they were off his will and thats when the brothers decided to kill both parents. they never told their DR Oziel about the abuse they claimed happened to them when they should have told him he would have reported it to police and the dad would be in prison and both parents would be alive today and the brothers would have never went to prision like they are now. they were spoiled and rebellious children who got what they wanted the dad wanted them to do things on their own like go to college but they didnt want to do that. they want to live off the parents coattails. they did an overkill on their parents. it was all for greed!! when barbara walters interviewd both brothers they said they still loved and miss their parents and if they could do it again, they would have walked out of the house. when the coroner picked up the body of Jose, his brains fell off the ground. the mother teeth were shattered off her mouth… there no excuse to murder your parents! God says to honor your parents. i dont care what they did or sad you still honor them. like i said they should have walked out of the mansion and go elsewhere!! where was their other family members if what both brothers sai was true why didnt they help the brothers? now they want to on TV and blah blah blah whatever!! i think the brothers are lying about the abuse they were mad when the father took them off the will and as for menudo why didnt he say anything about it earlier? why? because they are all lying about it. its all hearsay!! both were adults not children!! alot of kids are SA and you dont see them kill their parents!! stop with the abuse excuse!!
I really don't think they should be set free. I believe it was money motivated. The letter could have been to cover their tracks. One of them had been involved in robberies.
The mother also participated in the abuse.. she was not innocent either, she has enabled her husband instead of protecting her children
I don't get the hype. Standart sentence for double homicide in California is 50 to life. Even if the murder of Jose could be argued to be a manslaughter, mothers murder doesn't fit in. She was no threat to them without the father. If the brothers were smart and resourceful enough to plan the murder and alibi, they could've planed their escape from the parents. There is always a better way than murder
Do 55 year old men, normally date 21 year old women, IF THEY WERE VICTIMS OF SA? He is behaving like a predator. Zero evidence that any abuse was going on. They were old enough to leave. They made sure Kitty was dead because Dad's money would go to her, not the 2 murderer's. They are arrogant and have no remorse of killing the parents. Letting them out, would be a huge mistake. They did it, you can't go around killing people who wrong you. Ridiculous people thinking they don't deserve to be right where they are!
You're forgetting their parents are very powerful, influential people who are capable of many illegal acts without ramification i.e. rape of Menudo band members who were a popular band at the time – if they left their parents would have just easily found them and their father already threatened to kill them if they told anyone since they were 6 years old
Isnt it a crazy thought that the therapist could "feel" a threat through one handshake but the brothers couldn't feel threatened over years of abuse to the point you literally snap. ?? Humm
Lylie was no longer living in the house, he just came back for his brother, the one being raped until 18 years old was Erik who didn't have the mental maturity of an 18 years old but of a younger child of 12 or 13 years old according to experts. He was very afraid of his father. There are many women killed by their abusers /rapists and cannot run away from them either because they are afraid. Many ears of psychological, sexual and physical abuse since childhood profoundly affects the brain Erik was in the same position of an abused woman. He was toying with the idea of killing his father or killing himself. Their mother was killed because She told them days before the murders that she had always known about the abuse but didn't care and was still siding with her husband. She didnt want to help them. There are many parents who rape and murder their own children.