Sanders says that medicare for all, a living wage, and other reforms is the socialism that’s possible, but is he too reserved on strengthening public ownership? – with Jacqueline Luqman, Eugene Puryear, Norman Solomon and host Paul Jay
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The biggest misunderstanding about socialism is thinking that government involvement is necessarily associated with socialism.
Socialism means collective ownership and control over the means of production.
If you support co-ops, you support socialism.
Worker co-ops shatter the capitalist structure. That's what socialism can mean in the US.
In fact, Mr. Trump is amazingly ignorant, because socialism already exists in the US. In fact, the biggest worker co-op in the US is a home care company in his own city of New York.
Bernie is charlatan plain and simple.
Or social democracy?
In law and business, corporations are considered a person. This has been true for over 100 years. The United States is a corporation. Let's start there about America. Sanders, I don't know yet. What I do know is the strongest democrat must run against the idiot in the Whitehouse. Otherwise, we need to talk about the new america that we allowed to happen and where we fit in it.
In awareness of the times and season, I will not respond to anyone who supports the present status of the republican party. This is my opinion and I take control of my discourse in it. Got it?
Pelosi is one of the worst in the “establishment “. Among many others…many many others in our government.. oligarchs will do anything to retain their power. They forget they’re only 1% and so do we. Time to realize we outnumber them! Time to realize they’re rich because of US. Because we let them roll over us time and time again. Enough is ENOUGH.
I don’t care what you call it, I love Bernie’s policies. There’s nothing about losing your freedom here, folks, that’s ludicrous.
Sorry but Sanders doesn't support reparations in the form as a cash payment, so I could never support him. Yes he has other ideas but my people are OWED A DEBT! As far as I'm concerned something that is stolen, shall remain stolen until it's rightfully returned to do owner. We not only were stolen but we were product and property! His people and their descendant's collect reparations from not only Germany but also America for a god damn German crime! This was a white on white crime that I as a black American have to for a crime to his people but America not pay us? Hell no #cutthecheck
We are anything but a free country.
Andrew Yang is the Bernie Sanders of the 21st century. Bernie is trying to use 20th century ideas to solve 21st century problems.
Andrew Yang for President 2020.
https://youtu.be/evP21V0OoPQ
"Democratic Society" (by the people for the people) should not be confused with capitalism (greed/hate). Capitalism (greed/hate) is by the counting corpses (greed/hate) for the counting corpses (greed,/hate). Meaning…by the alien vampires (greed/hate) for the alien vampires (greed/hate).
Invisibly, the alien vampires who have occupied US have made uplifting words like "care for all" and "'green new deal" blasphemous.
Because these uplifting words have light and truth (love). And light and truth (love) causes joy sucking vampires (greed/hate) great pain and suffering.
I think it is intellectually lazy at best and disingenuous at worst for most of the panel discussion to FRAME Bernie Sanders' "DEMOCRATIC Socialism" as simply "Socialism"
It's almost like the inference is that Bernie should just abandon the use of the word Socialism altogether when in fact we already practice Socialism in America today.
It's called "Socialism for the Rich" AKA Capitalism
People need to wake up.
What the HELL do you think it is when Billionaires like Bezos and Zuckerberg and Musk receive SUBSIDIES for Research and Developement?
What the HELL do you think it is when THE BANKS received BAILOUT money
What the HELL do you think it is when AIG received money to remain solvent?
These are TAX PAYER DOLLARS you imbeciles
These TAX PAYER DOLLARS were given to them by the GOVERNMENT
THIS IS SOCIALISM
I think the mentality of people who cannot see this hypocrisy, is the same as those
idiots who lose their jobs because the Billionaire CEO outsourced the entire department to India and instead of the now unemployed Americans being angry with the Billionaire CEO, they are angry with the INDIANS who are working for pennies.
Why is there some mental block with the enslaved, blaming the other slaves instead of blaming the Masters.
Socialism, Democratic Socialism the freaking "term" is just a word.As a "word" it is irrelevant.
What is relevant is Bernie Sanders becomes President because he is THE ONLY candidate with the CHARACTER, VISION, PLATFORM and CONSISTENCY to Improve Americans quality of life and strengthen AMERICANS in
the Middle Class, Working Class and the Environment by bringing Big Pharma, Military Industrial Complex,Billionaire CEO's and Big Oil etc. "TO HEEL"
England drinks from the same toilet we do.
Simply no, his "Democratic Socialism" isn't socialism, only capitalism with brain.
Bernie may call himself a Democratic Socialist, but the policies he's proposing are Social Democratic. Neither of those are Socialism.
Nobody is proposing Socialism. This is just fear mongering.
CNN IS FUNDED BY THE ELITES/CAPITALISTS.
What would democratic capitalism look like?
America was not built on the back of freedom democracy and America is not free…no matter what economic system we employ, socialism or capitalism. It was built on the backs of slaves. Trump has no idea of what he is talking about. He simply sprouts rhetoric.
I feel like you have to read between the lines, with the history of his stance in mind.
If you measure prosperity by GDP you are telling the truth. However if you measure prosperity by measures of % of people meeting basic needs, #'s now out of poverty, good health indicators statistics, you are likely wrong. That said, neither socialist or capitalist economies can be trusted to protect our basic ecological systems in most countries. They cannot be trusted not to make compromises jeopardizing future generations.
Socialism doesn't work. Look at Venezuela. You want to feel free, vote for Capitalism. Trump 2020.
There is no clear understanding of what capitalism is among these demsocs and berniebros. Real News host lacks real understanding of capitalist production and how capitalist economy functions. He says public sector should overpower oligarchy or private sector but in capitalist economy private investment drives economic growth. How bloated public sector gonna produce growth? If you do this – public ownership of banking (not nationalization) then why would you leave out private sector? If you move to public ownership of banking then you move away from profit making system. And that means violent protestations from private sector and oligarchy. Does he think such radical move go smoothly? There is no social base for such radicalism in US. Socialism must be defined and understood via clear definition and analysis of capitalist mode of production (which Marx has done successfully, but not many of those demsocs have tried to read anything from Marx). If you defined and understood capitalist mode of production properly, then you can define your steps towards socialist production and organization of society.
Bernie has my vote.
Feel the Burn.
It is SO NAIVE to believe that an economy will work without the profit motivation – that was tried for almost the entire 20th century in a HUGE SAMPLE of the World (USSR-Eastern Bloc-Maoist China-Cuba-North Korea) and the results were mediocre at best and disastrous at worst in terms of consumption and scientific / tech development. All of that happened in a context of repression of all forms of liberties – aka totalitarianism.
Trump and the Fox News right wing confuses communism with socialism. Medicare, social security, welfare, disability, food stamps are all a brand of socialism. What's wrong with helping people and being kind? Nothing. All this crap trying to slander and misrepresent Sanders is the Oligarch Establishment shaking in their boots because they are scared Sanders is going to end their gravy train of screwing over the working class.
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The only thing more frustrating than Trump’s braindead base(who can’t tell the difference between socialism and democratic socialism, which has proven itself to be the most logical economic model for a country to not eventually implode on itself) is the corporate media shilling their asses off for the preservation of the status quo. I hope that we see these major news networks lose their influence over the next decade. We as a country need to be more proactive in finding out the truth and not play party politics.
Capitalism is about making winners and losers.
Freedom is for handful of winners(liberalism they call it) and no freedom to million of losers.
As capitalism advances, the number of winners get smaller and smaller, prize for the winners get bigger and bigger.
At the end, everybody becomes the loser.(When the economy collapses, everybody loses)
Socialism is about winning for the masses, what works for everyone.
What a travesty Trump is as he talks about being "born free'' while he wants to do exactly what he claimed socialism is–government coercion, domination and control.
Bernie does not tell the TRUTH. The End Game of Democratic Socialism is the destruction of private property. End of story, it's on their website. Bernie is not a Democrat, they believe in property rites, like the Founding Fathers. Bernie is a liar. Why is that so difficult to for people see? it is because the political literacy of this country is so dismal…………..most people don't even know the definition of Socialism. Democratic socialism is still socialism.
Foreign policy and national security are a huge part of any president's job, and they shouldn't be left out of any discussion of democratic socialism. Some of Bernie's statements on foreign policy are quite unprogressive, and he demonizes Russia by, incredibly, believing the evidence-free Russiagate hoax. If he genuflects to the MIC and surveillance state, his domestic programs will surely be severely impaired. Please discuss Bernie's contradictory foreign policy positions and his probable ability or lack of ability to actually stand up to the neocons and the security-intel state.
None of the candidates are proposing Communism or Socialism (NOT the same thing) Some (Bernie) are proposing the Scandinavian Model which was based on Social Democracy which is basically Capitalism with Humanitarian and Social Programs for the benefit of all the Citizens, not just the few and the mantra that a Healthy and Educated populace are an ASSET to Society. When it comes to Democracy, the Scandinavian countries are #1 Norway, #2 Iceland, #3 Sweden, #5 Denmark and the USA #25! There is a mind numbing ignorance and enormous indoctrination in the US about this fact.
Trump says, at 0:16, " Here in the United States we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence, and not government coersion, domination and control. We are born free and we will stay free ". He's a complete quack, hypocrite, psychotic, etc. He speaks the very opposite of what the US has now been for a LONG time, very long, and continues to be, so not only does he stupidly try to fool the population of the USA, he seems to also be fooling himself, which means that he's seriously idiot. It wasn't better with prior US presidents, but more sicko presidents isn't going to help the USA or the rest of this world.
The argument is stupid. Eugene Debbs died a long time ago, and so has Henry Wallace, so the only thing we can do is support the person who most closely represents what we want, and that is either Bernie or Tulsi. You idiots what to kick Bernie because he isn't perfect? That's retarded, you dumb fucks. Eugene Puryear is a moron, and I can't stand listening to his voice. Norman Solomon makes more sense.
Bernie is right about most things, but corporate-owned media is the enemy of the people. Our government is the enemy of the people. Nancy Pelosi is the enemy of the people. All of the corporations are enemies of the people. All of the assholes who stole our wealth are the enemies of the people.
Both parties are owned by the ruling class. That's what capitalism means. The people who control the means of production also control the political system. And the vast majority have no effective representation.
Socialism starts from the realization that capitalism is fundamentally undemocratic. For reasons that even the president acknowledges when he dog whistles the alt-right with the term "fake news". All of our mass media are owned by a handful of large companies and we can't trust anything they say.
That's capitalism.
If you want true democracy then there's no getting around the fact that certain things have to change. That the role of the state is to make policies that are in the public interest and not just the "special interests".
Bernie does the exact opposite and starts from the liberal democrat position that we have individual rights and freedom of speech and "the media can do its thing even though Trump calls you an enemy of the people".
That's Wolf Blitzer's cue to say that Bernie doesn't agree with Trump's statement that the media are bad. So by using Trump as a bogeyman Bernie defuses the most serious criticism of capitalism. That in a society where citizens supposedly have the power to elect their representatives we don't even have access to honest information.
He then proceeds sabotages socialism by saying it's really about getting enough free stuff.
Full scale socialism is not realistic. Don't get me wrong I have my qualms with capitalism but socialism has NEVER WORKED.
Socialism: When the workers run the economy for our need as workers.
Communism: When the state withers away, particularly as the military and police become unnecessary.
Before socialism can occur, capitalism – private profit must be overthrown. Bernie isn't a revolutionary but is quite capable of coalescing Americans around the idea of getting something useful from our current government and putting the question of socialism and its definition, in the American context, on the table.
Jeez is this what the left is proffering…?
HereReal News goes again stating the obvious!
socialism for the rich …..capitalism for the poor.
pretty pathetic politicians and civilians buy into the fear mongering crap of misinformation. Republicans are against socialism unless it has to do with women and minorities rights. Democrats are too afraid to take a stand either way for fear of which way the political winds will blow. All bullshit!!
Very good points here! YouTube offered me this video and I clicked it thinking: "here we go to one more video misinforming people about what socialism actually is". Au contraire, the video is very precise and informative about socialism!
The government owes this, with demonizing whites and other minorities. This will be the balance, black Americans have supported all , but gotten less.
Bernie needs to have concrete policies that helps black Americans more than others, how he do this is his biggest issue.
That's what white American says, those who have benefited from slavery, most, but white churches has always hijacked democracy, they have been pushing what racism. They use socialism to divide the people, just watch them, how they play sides.
you are never getting socialism, democracy or anything similar in the usa. the country is an oligarchy and these people will not give up their power easily. you can not just say to the oligarchs that all of their refineries, oil wells, pipelines, power and influence are gone because you want decarbonization. it would take years of revolution to get democracy or socialism implemented and it would be a very messy and bloody business. it will also take a much more radical and violent man than sanders to lead the revolution. these people will not go down quietly and there plenty of common people that will willingly die to fight any kind of challenge to the power of the oligarchs.